Wow I just read this and really what a slight at least slam on new people in this breed? Then all of you major breeders and owners wonder why you cannot "build" or "find" majors? Wow did this sign hit you in the face yet? Welcome and support them, teach them and support them. Not all people can sit home research every pedigree on earth...I challenge anyone to do that :) I have been around this "game" for a long time and yes I said "game" that all showing is now in my humble opinion:) Some and I will not mention names have elevated "showing" our breed to that of Thorough Breed Horses" as in only the Rich NEED apply. At this point in time you could not pay me enough to campaign a GSD right now... Steven PS Some breeders expect to get 5k to 10K for a dog, really I can buy and ride a quality Horse in TX for that $$ In a message dated 2/1/2012 6:52:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes: But, as you point out Vicki, and as anyone who reads the Review or follows what dogs accomplish, Carolyn DOES test her dogs and they have the alphabet soup before and after their names to prove it. If "newbies" (and that's in quotes because some newbies never get out of the newbie category), aren't studying the breed....how on earth can they opine much less criticize??? And to newbies who want their opinion considered...show me what you've done first. I love to learn. I learn every day. But, I have to tell you, I pick who I learn from and I learn from those who have accomplishments I admire. Just sayin'. Now I wouldn't necessarily neuter newbies like Kathy M. <G>. Hon you are never going to live this one down! Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 2/1/2012 4:48:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, vicki.roye@xxxxxxxxx writes: However, Jackie does have a point in that we cannot assume that a dog will be able to work and perform. We need to test them in training and work to know that. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================