[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Malinois / GSD mix? 'bad biting' programs.
- From: Jen Proud <proudk9@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:28:49 -0500
I have (sadly) found that there must be a number of breeders breeding
sport/protection dogs who have let their breeding programs suffer by using
temperamentally unsound animals for breeding. I see way way way too many
unstable dogs that people paid $2500-5000for a "German- Bred Protection Dog"
that have to live in a back-yard pen b/c the family was afraid for their
children not trusting it wholly.or is flat out given away or turned into a
shelter for "temperament issues" IOW- euthanise the dog. It bites. Or that are
falling apart with ED (especially) and HD (because a "noch zuglassen" is
basically equivalent to mild HD...) at very young ages- well before 12 months
old.
Many of these puppies are purchased with the intent on IPO training, and they
just don't make the cut for a variety of reasons.
I don't understand how people (breeders) don't consider-say at least 50% -their
puppies are going to live in home settings, usually with a family and then
breed dogs so hot, intolerant, and persistent, that they are unmanageable
unless in expert hands. Lets face it, expert dog handlers ain't most of
American Joe Public & family. It seems there are less and less who consider
that point when breeding their dog/s even in my short lifetime- but at least I
can say there are at least those good breeders (well of any & all GSD types)
who take at heart the pros and cons of a dog and when necessary, scrap that dog
from the program. Sometimes it hurts, with so much invested for that animal to
be, but if there's something you as the individual know is blatantly bad about
your dog (whether temperament, genetics, whatever) shouldn't it be the
responsible-breeder thing not to pass that on into the gene pool- not only for
the breed but the future "insert bad problem here" of your own bloodline?
JMHO but I don't get the point of having any dog as a pet so "on" 100% of the
time that I keep it in a kennel. Kinda defeats the purpose to me, but I do the
house pet thing -wait let me convey that correctly- I do the show/breed thing
with my house pets. It's part of why I have them- a healthy hobby. Gotta spend
what little money I do have on something...!
Jen P & the Pack wanting to know is how to get $5K people pay per pet puppy and
quintuple my income from every litter. I ain't out the hole on this last litter
(but I do have a puppy :)... If its just about the colour of the papers I'll
go get some RIT Dye! LOL but really
JayDee's Proud-Haus Shepherds/ ProudK911
www.jaydeesphs.com
AKC Breeder of Merit
Home of the Total Dog you can be Proud of!!!
On 23 Jul 2013, at 14:43, "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> We had Sacramento Sheriff's Dept. contact us once looking for a good GSD for
> their Program. They had spent a fortune on importing FIVE black Belgian
> Shepherds
> from their 'homeland'. ALL five failed the sound tests. They were
> desperate
> for canines .... and were 'reduced' to calling Breeders I guess. <G>
>
> We had a young (big)female about 8 mos....and a 6 mos. old male. They asked
> to come test them. They took the male in their squad car with me along to
> watch....and tested the male quite a bit. He passed everything....and they
> loved his size and athletic strength...but they wanted us to keep him till he
> was a year old to re-test and X-ray.
> I said no, and told them the bitch was even BETTER. They could quickly tell
> she would be, but they would not consider her BECAUSE she was a female!
> Turns out THEY knew better...but their head trainer would not accept bitches
> at
> all. I did not think that was too brilliant.
> Sometimes I think they are their own worst enemy in their Canine
> programs....<G>
>
> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.marhaven.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: On Behalf Of David Fritsche Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:52 AM
>
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Malinois / GSD mix? 'bad biting'?
>
> We breed to certain dogs and certain lines, both for health and temperament.
> That betrays our belief that not everything is environment and training.
> Much of our dogs behavior is in the genes. I love to watch the puppy exhibit
> the behavior and quirks of the parent - it is amazing how their genetic
> components work.
>
> Years ago the police department I serves on got three gsds from
> Czechoslovakia - "they were the best for police work," our Chief was told.
> (did I spell that right?) Three weeks later they sent them back - biting the
> handlers, their wives, kids, neighbors, cats, trees, fence - NO OFF SWITCH!
>
> More recently our local S.O. got three Mals from somewhere in dream land and
> same problem. Training modifies and directs behavior but it does not replace
> bad genes.
>
> Just my take on it, but what should I know!
> Dave
>
>
> I would agree with it being a "training issue" most of the time.
> Obviously some dogs are going to be harder to train on quitting
> something they love to do ...AND have been encouraged to do.
> But their love of the work is what makes them valuable. Not much
> different in Herding, releasing the Ball...the Bird...the bite...<G>
> I CAN see it being a specific 'Breed' problem also....as in Rotties.
> Biting its own trainer in its frenzy though...THAT is a serious issue!!
> Either way~I sure didn't think the dog was "pure" Malinois, NOR GSD. <G>
> Great input from the List.
>
> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
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