I would have to agree with you Dave...these Malinois in Washington were scary. One in training almost ripped my knee open...tried like hell to feed it the sleeve. Finally knocked it in the head...the officer was too far away to control him. He took the sleeve. LOVED running the dogs! Angela Scott Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: David Fritsche Sent: 7/23/2013 1:52 PM To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Malinois / GSD mix? 'bad biting'? We breed to certain dogs and certain lines, both for health and temperament. That betrays our belief that not everything is environment and training. Much of our dogs behavior is in the genes. I love to watch the puppy exhibit the behavior and quirks of the parent - it is amazing how their genetic components work. Years ago the police department I serves on got three gsds from Czechoslovakia - "they were the best for police work," our Chief was told. (did I spell that right?) Three weeks later they sent them back - biting the handlers, their wives, kids, neighbors, cats, trees, fence - NO OFF SWITCH! More recently our local S.O. got three Mals from somewhere in dream land and same problem. Training modifies and directs behavior but it does not replace bad genes. Just my take on it, but what should I know! Dave I would agree with it being a "training issue" most of the time. Obviously some dogs are going to be harder to train on quitting something they love to do ...AND have been encouraged to do. But their love of the work is what makes them valuable. Not much different in Herding, releasing the Ball...the Bird...the bite...<G> I CAN see it being a specific 'Breed' problem also....as in Rotties. Biting its own trainer in its frenzy though...THAT is a serious issue!! Either way~I sure didn't think the dog was "pure" Malinois, NOR GSD. <G> Great input from the List. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================