Angela wrote: "Depending on the color they mask will depend on the quality or clarity of the white...I cannot speak about the washed out color problem..." I'm sorry, but I don't understand your answer. First, who is "they?" Second, according to the way you wrote this, different gradations of white will have different masking abilities. Please elaborate. I'm kind of dense at times. <G> PaulETTE McGuirt, GSDCA Member Wellborn-Allemande German Shepherds Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam ----- Original Message ----- From: angela scott To: cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 6:43 PM Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Making sure I understand this...HOW THE WHITE GENE WORKS Depending on the color they mask will depend on the quality or clarity of the white...I cannot speak about the washed out color problem...Angela Angela Scott From: cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 8/15/2013 5:39 PM To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Making sure I understand this...HOW THE WHITE GENE WORKS Theresa writes: "The experience I have had and have seen is that when you breed a white GSD to a GSD you get a faded color of the GSD. They are no longer the rich black and tan, sable, etc but faded in color, I have owned them so know. " I've observed this as well. If the true color of a white dog is simply masked, then why, when a white is bred to a dog of standard color,do you get faded colors, including faded silver. Could someone please explain to me why this fading often occurs? Does this mean that whites tend to carry the dilution gene as well as the masking gene? Also, can anyone explain to me why whites, in general, aren't totally white? Did the masking gene forget to mask some of the white's true color? Seriously, what's up with that? Is there a "buff" or "cream" gene? I would really appreciate answers. PaulETTE McGuirt, GSDCA Member Wellborn-Allemande German Shepherds Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================