I think surveys of All Breed Clubs and shows don't have a lot to do with our GSD Nationals! <G> I do think on this one we have to appreciate the Board and Show Chair a lot more than we seem to at times. They are bound to the P & P Manual and what is required for a National location. There is no way they can please all of us....and especially those who continue to only want a National in their back yard or they just won't go. There are locations across the Country where it just simply is not feasible nor suitable! A few years ago there was no Herding, Rally, nor much Agility. The Herding venue alone has a lot of requirements from availability of "good" sheep...arenas...requirements for Host Hotels and how many hotels and restaurants are within a certain distance....and then the big one.....AIRPORTS. Also, supporting Clubs are losing members and getting smaller. It is literally one of the toughest jobs to find the perfect National site....and we really need to appreciate all the work put into it. I literally have NEVER been to a National site that I hated. They all have flaws and they all have something we like better than anything else. The only National site I would hate is the one that we absolutely cannot get to with a dog. To me it doesn't matter much where it is...as long as EVERYONE can fly there WITH A DOG...or drive there within reason. Two days of hard driving IS doable. Three days of hard driving makes it really really tough. For this reason alone ( IMO ) the National sites need to stay more Central and 'central' to the East or West. I really don't care if they are permanent or not permanent. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com On Behalf Of Lyn Chernak Subject: Re: thoughts about nationals........... ..........The results showed that the majority wanted rotation, however the board chose to veto the results. Unless you have a majority of Board members that will represent the majority of the membership all the oting and surveys are meaningless. If you don't like where the National is held or the way it got there.... don't go. I prefer rotation, but that is just my opinion. Lyn Chernak _____ Subject: thoughts about nationals........... ( Survey ) done by AKC for all breeds that showed that the income dropped when a clubs national specialty moved to a new site, but increased when a clubs nationals were in the same location 2-3 years in a row. Me, I prefer to go to somewhere new....Molly