In response to the many posts on this subject, and to answer the post below, you should be aware that the "Loose lead temperament test" was renamed the "Loose lead temperament evaluation" by the Board on the recommendation of Bob Penny. This was done to clarify the difference between the "Temperament test" offered at our National and the simple and subtle procedure define as the "Loose lead temperament evaluation". The actions described in the posts of those who witnessed Judge White's procedure are not included in the "Evaluation" and how he developed his methods should in no way be correlated to the procedure recommended in the "Loose lead Temperament evaluation". There is NO aggressiveness, weird stranger, hugging, body slapping or any other act defined in the "Evaluation" that any dog of sound character, regardless of the breed , should find startling. In Sept. of this year, Diane Mehra, "JEC Chair" contacted all regional clubs offering a "DVD" copy of the "2003 Judges Seminar" which includes a complete explanation and demonstration of the "Evaluation". The cost was $5. To date only 8 Regional clubs have purchased the "DVD". I believe that Lew Bunch has purchased a copy for the PC Club library making it available to clubs who wish to borrow it. Perhaps it would be wise to learn the "Evaluation" procedure before condemning it. Ed Anderson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Wright" <Diwri@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "ShowGSD-L" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Weird judges do weird things... >I just had a ~briiiiiiilllllliant~ idea! :-) > > How about the GSDCA producing a Temperament Testing The GSD video (dvd). > There are probably > (hopefully) examples of good exams using national tapes. The ideal > Temperament tape (dvd) should > also show examples of horrid temperament test methods & perhaps a section > on identifying the > responses. > Make the video/dvd short & sweet & to the point. Distribute to clubs & > judges. > Make it available to view, for free, online thru the GSDCA site. > > :-) > Diane ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the Poster and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original poster AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For technical help and administrative matters, please contact the List Administrators at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================