Laura, You will become disillusioned quickly if you listen to what everyone says. Remember these people are friends, but in the end are competing against each other. Form your own opinions. I got my first dog from the BOB judge, and have known him and his wife for many years. He is generally a stickler for temperament, but I was not there, so do not know how he judged. I will also tell you although he does not own any, he has nothing against a good sable, and gave several Select ratings. If you are that easily disillusioned, this is probably not the right hobby for you. It is very competitive, people can be nasty, and the judging can be disappointing at times. For some the rewards are worth the effort -time, expense, heartache. But if you have a burning passion to get as close to that standard as you possibly can, and you love the breed so much nothing will stop you from achieving that, AND the money to pay for all of it, this might be the hobby for you. If not, just enjoy your dogs! After all, in the end, it is all about them anyway! :) Cyndy www.texasdogs.com -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Laura Streeter Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:55 AM To: TCYPRESS@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Loose lead exam I went to my first National, this year hoping to learn more and see some beautiful dogs. I came home disillussioned. The people I was with, some really nice and successful breeders, explained about the temperament test that the judges were to use. I think the 2 ladies did it sometimes and they tried at least. The BOB judge never even came close to what I read about and seemed to cover up temperament. I thought all colors were fine according to the standard but I heard people say he would not look at a sable but then they added except with the right handler. As a newbie, I am not sure I want to participate in conformation. Laura ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================