you wrote: " don't know of too many American breeders that can show me or have seen multiple generations of a breeding" OMG...let's see, here is a start: Joan Fox Barb Amidon Syd Mailberg Linda Kofstad Verna Kubik Dave Rinke Dave and Connie Bissonnette Oh, Sheesh, I give up, there are just too many..the point is that there are a lot of longtime breeders out there that hae a good historical view of what they are doing. Cynthia Rbuffdogs@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 7/26/2005 8:05:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: I am on an American conformation List, and am true to my own self. But Evan, aren't you running for Prez, and there are a lot of GERMAN owning members in the PC...yes? I don't know of too many American breeders that can show me or have seen multiple generations of a breeding, in any case you are still trusting the breeder, regardless of whether the dog is Am or German. It comes down to breeder integrity, something that can be a problem on either side, a serious problem. I see problem breeders , borderline puppymillers all the time, American and German. The dogs are poor quality, with GENERATIONAL serious problems, that continue to be bred and bred and repeated and repeated , ad nauseum, and then sold to an unsuspecting public. It is also about doing "one's homework" on either side. Look, Ask, RESEARCH, Look Some More.... Again IMHO, a good dog is simply that, regardless of country of origin. Kathy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================