In a message dated 7/27/05 1:16:54 PM Central Daylight Time, Rbuffdogs@xxxxxxx writes: a message dated 7/27/2005 11:04:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, vande001@xxxxxxxxx writes: you wrote: " don't know of too many American breeders that can show me or have seen multiple generations of a breeding" OMG...let's see, here is a start: Joan Fox Barb Amidon Syd Mailberg Linda Kofstad Verna Kubik Dave Rinke Dave and Connie Bissonnette>>>> Point taken. There are just as many German Breeders who can do this and more, dozens of generations, their siblings, 1/2 sibs, progeny...ever read an Urma book? The pedigree charts are amazing. This is NOT taking away from the people in the breed with American dogs that have a long standing, and a good one in the breed. The point that I was trying to make is that good dogs come from ALL areas, so do BAD ones. Kathy The point Evan was originally trying to make ( I believe) was that this is an American Style List with the purpose of promoting, showing, discussing, and learning about American Bred German Shepherds. There are many lists, I am sure, that promote only the German Style. My suggestion is that you go there to satisfy your needs. Why would anyone on this list give information concerning German Bred dogs? Before anyone starts screaming, I have nothing against German dogs. They are great! Go to one of the German sites and request information on an American Bred German Shepherd puppy and see what happens. Get ready for some real fireworks! Randy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================