Mary-Anne, ? The Standard has it right.? I think we are all trying to define it, but you can't.? Even my old rescue guy, who started out with a horrible life, had that look at times.? After all he had been through, he was a GSD at heart.? He had pride, nobility and?a presence.? He passed that on to the youngsters.? They respected him and emulated him.? He is the reason I am in GSD's.? He overcame so much previous abuse to become the most awesome dog.? He had the kindest eyes and most intelligent eyes.? He was a therapy dog and trained all?my youngsters.? He loved his visits and bonded with his patients.? He was so gentle and sweet with them.? Yet, he took on bad guys without missing a beat.? He would come to work with me as a mascot and caught 2 burglars during an investigation before we could get the K9 unit deployed.? He wasn't trained?for it, he just did it.? He was so jazzed and proud of himself.? That was a moment with that "Look of Eagles" I will never forget.? It is so something yo u know when you see it. ? Yes, it is in the eyes but it is also in the carriage and the pride of the dog.? It's the whole package.??It's not about being a predator.? It's?about the overall demeanor.? Other animals have this, who are not predatory,?and I would bet the?description of their Standards?are just as vague.? It is something you just know is there. You can see it?but not?every animal has it.?? I don't believe this is something we should TRY to define.??It is something we should continue to strive for in our breed.? JMHO Laura Thomas?????????? -----Original Message----- From: Mary-Anne <mary-anne.boulet@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:42 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: "Look of Eagles" Before this gets out of hand, I thought I'd take another look at all our standards to see what they say about "look of eagles". I even went into the DSHV and went through its complete standard which says absolutely nothing about 'looks of quality or nobility'. So while some may call it the look of eagles and others may call it the looks of stallions in heat, the standard calls for a "look of quality & nobility". To be truly honest, there aren't any other animals out there that can compare - not eagles, not horses (stunning as they may be), not humans. An intelligent, well bred GSD is unmistakable - it's in the eyes. "The ideal dog is stamped with a look of quality and nobility-difficult to define, but unmistakable when present." - from the AKC website "The Shepherd should be stamped with a look of quality and nobility, difficult to define but unmistakable when present. The good German Shepherd Dog never looks common." - from the CKC website. Mary-Anne C C Mistral of Waldenridge CGN CD RN TD AGN TEC RN (Caro) HIC Tersha's Magnum Force CGN PCD RN TEC HIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Cochran" <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx> To: <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <WITMS@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:10 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: "Look of Eagles" I look at them all the time and that is what I see. That is my point. We all feel and see thing differently. Terry Peggy <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: You missed the point...the look of eagles has nothing to do with the behaviour of the eagle. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Cochran To: Peggy ; WITMS@xxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: "Look of Eagles" actually they eat other birds and will kill their young if they refuse to fly :0) But they get 90 percent of their food by scavenging on dead animals. A vulture is also very aware of it's environment. Predator or prey, both pay attention or become someone elses lunch. That is what I love about mother nature. She is totally fair. Terry Peggy wrote: The look of eagles has nothing to do with the behaviour of the eagle, or any other bird. The expression, in the first place, comes from horse people, as do so many of our dog terms. I have always thought it meant that the horse, or dog, was alert and aware of its surroundings....that you couldn't "put one over on" the animal. I still think that's what it means. Eagles pay attention to their environment, and mind their own business. They are predators only when they need food...they don't kill for sport, and they don't bother other birds or animals otherwise, unless it is for their own protection and that of their young. I think that is a great quality to attribute to a German Shepherd Dog.. 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