I've been off the List again for days because of server problems and this post surprises me!!! I do not see the Club as having a great "SPLIT" nor war......nor do I see that among our Board members. Do we disagree and vote differently.........OH YEAH!! But that's "the American way" ..... Will we make mistakes.......OH YEAH!! Will we pay for those mistakes.........OH YEAH!!! BUT....I must have dozed off again because I see no "civil war" anywhere?? Does the List get inflamed.........OH YEAH!! But it does seem to be the nature of the beast because we have so many different people from all areas that don't know each other and seem so "ready" to take the ball tossed out..... and "RUN WITH IT".......that's "the human nature way"....... Should we judge the German Shepherd Dog Club of America, Inc. by this List............OH NO!!! Too many on this List that are not members, are not involved in the activities of the Parent Club nor the WDA, nor WDS, nor herding, nor Rally, nor Rescue, nor Obedience, nor Conformation, and many may not even be involved in a Local German Shepherd Dog Club!! What a shame. Easy to sit in a room and type....... Should we hang our hats on everything said on this List. NOPE!!! Should we condemn this List and those on it and their opinions...........NO WAY!!! Learn to appreciate those who question, speak up, and speak out!! We need them!! Learn to ignore those who get into a frenzy of hatred and emotional arguing.....delete them. This List is a valuable tool of communication and that one single fact should never be forgotten!!! It is like a newspaper.......read it......know the issues........then know WHY you pick a point of view. If you should be more involved in the Club, the Breed, the Shows, Herding, handling, Rally, Obedience, Rescue, mentoring....being mentored, advice, wisdom, help, learning, fighting bad Legislation......make yourselves known on this List, get to know others in the Breed personally and for Heaven's sake..........JOIN A LOCAL CLUB!! JOIN THE PARENT CLUB.......stand up and be counted ........help the breed you claim to love and the Clubs and Organizations that keep it all together! Don't ask why should I join a Club or the GSDCA, Inc..........CARE ENOUGH TO JOIN!!! The Breed is not "going to hell in a handbasket".......it's in pretty good shape. The shows are not falling apart and everyone leaving all Conformation shows for WDA and WDS. Many are getting more involved in many venues like Rally, Herding, Rescue, or whatever. It is not all about just the Conformation ring anymore.....but WITHOUT IT.......and without Specialty Shows and Specialty Clubs......we will lose this Breed. It all starts with the Standard .......and your dog......and you! Carolyn marhaven@jps,net www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Cochran To: Gsdman2@xxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:52 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: YES Voters NO Voters You know what I wish. I wish that someone would tells us uninformed who the players are in the civil war. Why is this club split? What are the beliefs, goals of each side? How were the 2 side formed? and when? Who are the plungers (the person who keeps the anger up) ??? I hate secrets and lies more than anything. I have been told by many to keep quiet or I'll never finish another dog. The way I feel right now is if I have to remain quiet to participate in the parent club I would rather not. Like I said before if I wanted to fight all the time I would join the Army. Terry *************************************************************** Gsdman2@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 8/13/2007 6:57:07 PM Central Standard Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: Others actively worked to direct the board in a manner to harm our club. We must not forget that, and consider carefully what was done, and if we want to face this sort of thing again. ------------------------------------------------------- I'm sorry, but I do not believe that any board member has ever worked actively with the intention of harming the club. I didn't believe that of the people you support, and I do not believe that of the people you seem to be working very hard to defeat in the next election. I also do not believe that you really think that. This club is wedged in the middle of a civil war, and it is time it stopped. Mistakes have been made by every board in recent GSDCA history. That does not make anyone evil ... It merely makes them human. 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