Simple math. I think some of you are getting yourselves way too confused. The long-coat gene is recessive. The normal-coat gene is dominant. Dianna's original question was about a stud dog free of the long-coat factor being bred to a long-coated bitch. ALL pups will carry one of it's dam's genes (long-coated dogs/bitches have 2 long-coat genes) and one of it's sire's genes (normal coat...remember, he does NOT carry long-coat factor, he has 2 normal-coat genes). Ergo, ALL pups will carry one long-coat gene and one normal-coat gene. Go read some of Father Gregor Johann Mendel's works, specifically about what has come to be referred to as Mendelian inheritance; it was valid in the mid-1800's and still valid today. Paula, 61 days and counting Home of Best in Show, Best in Specialty Show, Multi-Group Winning, GSDCA Dual Title Award Recipient, AKC JAM/AOE, International and American Champion, Grand Champion Asgard Harley Davidson v Plamark, HT, PT, CGC, TC, HIC, OFA CHIC #64047 (Hips, Elbows, Cardiac, & Thyroid), DNA tested clear of the long-coat factor. #1 Male German Shepherd Dog in the Country, #4 German Shepherd Dog in the Country, as of 6/30/10 (Canine Chronicles) First male German Shepherd Dog Grand Champion. ---------- Original Message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:25:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Zoa Rockenstein <zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Long coat question I'm not sure I totally understand your question, but I know it is possible for a sire and dam to carry the recessive gene for long coats while not being�coats themselves.� In my last two litters, each had a coat puppy from two normal coat parents. � Zoa ________________________________ From: Jackie Short <marcatoshepherds@xxxxxxxxx> To: Showgsd <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 3:03:59 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Long coat question I totally got mixed up.� Isn't it possible in a litter that has two normal coated parents that both carry the coat gene, for some to have the longcoat gene and some not? Jackie & Marcato German Shepherds ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barbara Amidon <amidon481@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Long coat question Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:30:39 GMT Both mother and father of my Champion Ambers Stockbroker were normal coated but carried the coat gene..Stockbroker did not produce coats he was coat free.but most of the litter were coated..Barbara Amidon ____________________________________________________________ HR Masters Degree Online Earn Your Master's Degree in Human Resources Development - 100% Online http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c632cd7605bd66faabst03duc ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================