Thank you everyone for your answers.........I need to re-phrase my question. I realize they are a fault and not a DQ so you wouldn't be automatically booted out of the ring...........but in my neck of the woods where this breed doesn't always pull in a major, my longcoats would probably be welcome as points! If I'm going to show I want a chance to actually earn a Championship which means I need to win. So what I would like to ask is if there is any talk of them bringing in Long Coats either as a 'breed variety", or as a separate breed..........whatever they could do so the Coats could be shown like everyone else with fair advantages, etc. In other words not be a fault..........I could only see this happening if the standard was changed or they took them in as a separate breed. I'm sure that won't happen and understand why they are considered a fault...........but then again there are 2 types of lcs, ones with an undercoat and ones lacking in undercoat. The SV dogs have an undercoat, and so do mine. I'd hate to see them go separate breed since they would just be compared to the Shiloh Shepherd but I don't know what other options there are. I do performance with my long coats and would like to see them able to show and be competitive in the breed ring as well as the regular coated dogs, and understand they wouldn't be able to compete in the same classes as regular gsds..........which is why the term breed variety comes to mind. Sorry for my rambling............any thoughts or comments are very welcomed and appreciated! Not trying to start a war.......but maybe a fun debate! Thank you, Noelle Cota True Blue GSDs ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================