"this is the validity" Helen -----Original Message----- From: Jessica Keene <jkeene2005@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: helenfranklin520 <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx>; showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 8:59 pm Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Long Coat Class @ The Nationals Not to argue but the difference is, there is not a class to parade dogs holding faults in the breed, they may be there, but there we would never have a class for dogs with missing teeth, or improper movement, or blues and livers and fawns. The fact is, that although yes people can show these dogs as it is only a "fault" we as a breed should not be promoting the breeding of a fault. Not to say there are not gorgeous long coats, and very well producing long coats, there is nothing wrong with showing them, it is only a fault, but they should have to compete on a playing field where their fault just happens to stand out a little more that that of the others being shown, at the end of the day, only judge will decide the severity of the fault versus the faults of the other animals being exhibited, but I do not think it would be a good choice to promote a fault listed in the standard, by providing them a class to compete in of their own. Just my opinion. Jessica Keene http://www.gsdjunior.webs.com > To: SHOWGSD-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Long Coat Class @ The Nationals > From: helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx > Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:46:52 -0400 > > The argument for and against has validity on both sides. Why have > a class for a dogs with faults? Well, you might reply, all the classes > have dogs with faults, many just aren't quite as easily seen. If any of > the regular classes have dogs that are not true coming and going, > then those regular classes have dogs with "very serious faults." > If the dog's hind legs viewed from the rear, don't go in a straight line > from the hip joint to the pad in a straight line, that is a very serious > fault. If the dogs' back has any roll, sway, whip or roach at a trot, > and does not remain firm....that is a fault! So, here's a fault, > and there's a fault, some are very serious and they are in abundance > in your regular classes. The genetic background of some of these > long coats have stamped them with superior conformation, > temperament, and side gait. Though I go back 50 years, we can > argue which dogs are "the" dogs that gave us these superior > animals. I'm not sure, ask Fred. In any event, there is something > to be said for both sides of this discussion, as it should be. > Helen Franklin > > > > > ===========================================================================> > POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original > author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any > kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the > Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and > its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed > in any post. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY > MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS > PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY > FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE > PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org > SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html > NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ > =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================