In a message dated 12/4/2004 10:24:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx writes: t there a some of us, several on this List... who see a much different, darker picture, from the information we are gathering and privy too, Everyone has a right to see things their own way. But, those who show and breed, often have a more realistic view of the show ring and the breeding arena. It is easy to sit back, gather what information you want to justify a position, but the reality is from those involved. I admire Barbara who has asked that anyone with health problems to contact her. It might be better to ask for everyone who breeds with healthy dogs to contact her as well and then she would have the information to decide the true state of the breed. There is nothing wrong with seeing things in a perspective that may be slanted one way or the other, but reality is what is going on, not an opinion. If you want to know the state of the breed ask the Fords, Fred, Rinke, Barbara, or others involved in the current breeding and showing, who also were involved twenty or thirty years ago. It is not going to encourage new people to hear that the breed, after 100 years of trying to improve our dogs, has now gone to hell, and we have failed to reach any goals, or that it was so much better 30 years ago, and all our dogs die young. Seeing things one way or the other does not help the future of our breed, only continuing to work towards improvement will do that, something breeders and exhibitors have done for years, and many continue to do. I know not one single breeder who is breeding for weaker, sicker, or defective dogs. And, I know a lot of breeders. If you ask Lissa, I am sure she will tell you from the continued new members of the 13 club, that our dogs are living longer and are healthier. Evidently if you ask Barbara, who is gathering information of problems in the breed, she sees it the other way. Both have a right to their opinions, and that is what they are, opinions. I have mine. Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================