In a message dated 10/21/05 10:12:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rivendellp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Why is the Stud Dog always to blame?? There are 2 parents! I used Paul's post since he is always right. When you are talking about the influence of the judges on the breed, you must talk about the dogs. No matter how much winning the bitch does, only her owner can breed to her. In that case the judge has no influence, the owner/breeder is the person who impact what bitch is used. I don't agree, (surprise) that the judge is the person to determine the future of the breed. The intellegent breeder, (is that a contradiction?) should not care who or what the judge says, he or she should breed to the dog that will give the best genetics to the puppies. If people only bred to the winners, they would wait to see who wins at the national and only use those dogs. I can't prove it, but I doubt that the GV accounts for 1% of the litters. I know a number of top breeders including Paul and Jennifer. I don't find them to be all that influenced by what the judges have to say. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================