I don't see it that way obviously. The standard is the blue print. I just can't comprehend why someone would want to DELIBERATELY breed, what is now, a DQ. It was a DQ when I started breeding so I never bred any. Simple. Never considered it. I don't care why it was a DQ, it was a "just is" sort of thing. Give me a standard, and I'll follow it. So...I don't get it and I'm never going to get it. 200 posts from now, I still won't get it. It has nothing to do with civil rights, race or color discrimination, Brown v. the Board Of Education, pre or post war Europe or a new basketball player and I find the comparisons not only absurd but demeaning to the aforementioned subjects. We are in fact discussing dogs. If your group wants to work to change the standard, I'll respect whatever the outcome is. If there's a new entry in the Group, I'll cheer for it. Either way. What I really find disturbing though, is that our board (and again, some didn't understand what they were voting for as evidenced by the e-mails they've sent), removing the "no DQ requirement" for our performance awards at the national without any PC member or committee member input and without (again, as evidenced by their e-mails) fully understanding or even attempting to think through the ramifications. That just dumps a whole heap of dog poop right onto our mission statement. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 3/1/2012 2:11:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, barbara17236@xxxxxxx writes: Let them go? Okay, I have read how we "whites" are disrespecting the GSDCA Official Breed Standard, and the Club's Mission Statement by breeding a DQ - white. How disrespectful of that same breed standard, and mission statement, would it be for the same breed standard respecting people to say go be a separate breed? So, why have DQs in any breed standard? Why not just write up a letter, from each parent club, to AKC stating we don;t want these things (DQs) in our breed but we will allow them to rename themselves and show any ways? Why have the DQ at all? If you are going to do that, you should just get rid of the darn white DQ. By allowing the DQ to separate and rename themselves, show in AKC, continue to breed the white dogs, you are disrespecting the same breed standard you say I am disrespecting. You are condoning the breeding of whites. Either keep the white DQ, and stand by your belief in your breed standard and not allow breed separation, or eliminate the DQ. You can't say it is wrong for us to be breeding a DQ and then reward us for doing so. That makes no sense. Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: Pinehillgsds <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> To: zrockenstein <zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx>; showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2012 1:26 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: List Rule #2/another angle True. I have a question from another angle. I've been saying all along that the recent inclusion of dogs w/ DQs to be eligible at the national for PC V/VX awards is a DQ thing and not a "white" thing. For me anyway... I've said (as far as whites are concerned) let them all in or let them all go. But as long as white breeders are, as the GSD standard is NOW, deliberately breeding a DQ.....why would the PC reward that w/ recognition of our highest awards???? You know, I could see if a dog broke their tail (the example Julie used) and the owner had a vet's note and the dog qualified for the award. But to deliberately breed FOR what is NOW a DQ and be rewarded???? And to make that change w/o any member or committee chair input....Isn't that a slap in the face to those of us who DO our damndest to adhere to the standard????? (And please spare me the history of whites...I don't care. Either in or out. Change the standard or not. But for now it's a DQ.) Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://_www.pinehillgsds.com/__ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_) (_http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) ) In a message dated 3/1/2012 1:01:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxxx (mailto:zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx) writes: I was just looking at the new member application and was reminded of List Rule #2: List Rules2: Yes, I agree that I adhere to and support the Breed Standard of the German Shepherd Dog established by the German Shepherd Dog Club of America Really? It seems like we have a lot of people on this List who don't. 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