I have been outcrossing for quite a few years. Sel Ex Mechanical Bull and Sel Ex Ch Good to the Last Drop are both double outcrosses. They are both related, because Gilley's grandfather and Maxwell's grandmother were sisters. I am linebreeding now between their progeny and maxwell's sisters after three generations of outcrosses. I personally don't see any more problems either way. There are some lines out there that I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole and many are running to them like lemmings. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica MacMillan" <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:54:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Linebreed and Inbreeding on Stud Dogs Okay - It's been awhile since I have had a nosy question. I have been researching pedigrees as I have a young bitch and I like looking at all the available boys. One thing I have discovered is that through the years (starting with my 1964 GSD Review - thanks Bud!) is that inbreeding and linebreeding HEAVILY on stud dogs is very common. I found a ROM dog that went back to Lance 6 times in 5 generations (just an example). He is not an exception to that rule. Another interesting thing is that several of the very heavily used stud dogs didn't live long lives. Does it not worry people a bit when a heavily used dog lives to be 4 or 5 years or maybe even less? Because the "Popular Stud Dog Syndrome" is so popular in GSDs, why do people do it? Do you like the idea of winners? Do you actually like a certain look a stud dog does? Do you actually figure out if Mr. Popular matches up with your bitch appropriately? The popular thing is common in all breeds and we have it in Dals, but nothing like I have seen on GSD pedigrees. And for you newbies or people with less then 10 years - why do you think you should have a stud dog in your pedigrees 4/5 times without having ever seen the dog up close? I see it time and time again in dogs - period... In dals some new person will tell me that they want to line up on my old Rob dog.... Yeah, great but you never saw him upclose - are you sure you want to do that? Just some food for thought...Jess M.Paisley Dals (www.paisleydals.com)& The Shepherd Girls (Simmie, CGC, TDI, TC, HIC & Pepper, HIC)Member of: DCA, GSDCA & GTCDC _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live� Hotmail�:�more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ -- Ann Home of Sel Ex Champions Maxwell and Gilley, #1 dam Muggles, Breeder-owner 0f 69 champions and 19 ROMs. Proud receipient of Lloyd Brackett Award ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================