I have done enough American to German breeding's to know that what you get are puppies :0) I have managed to finish a few. Some are police dogs some are therapy dogs. One is a top agility performer one is a herding champion. Many are great foot warmers. I don't think I have ever produced a roach back. The main thing is that they all seem to have more leg than we are used to seeing. Terry ________________________________ From: "ELG440@xxxxxxx" <ELG440@xxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:28 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Line Breed/Cross breed - American/ German In a message dated 12/17/11 5:50:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, tanksr@xxxxxxxxx writes: You don't have to search for the right type of dog, just a dog that conforms to the standard. The problem I have noticed is that you can find in Germany a beautiful animal that looks just like the top winning American style dog. You watch the movement, and you love the front extension, the rear drive, the hard level back and the feminine head. You contact the breeder and bring the bitch to America. You breed this fantastic bitch to your great male. In the litter you get the genitics of the bitch and the male. From the bitch you get the roached back, short neck, restricted front and limited rear that are in her background, and then you realize she was a different style from what the Germans have bred for years. If you select for phenotype, you can't expect to get genotype. Breed to what you know, not so much what you see. I do know some of the German breeders are pleased to sell us the American style dogs they get in their litter. They are animals that get low ratings at the VA shows. Those animals do not do well in Germany, but look great for what we want. But, the genes they carry will be what determines what they produce. Two young Jewish children are born. When the girl turns 16 as a gift, her parents pay for a nose job for her, and she is beautiful. The young man decides to have his nose done before he goes off to college, and it works out so well, he looks fantastic. They meet, fall in love and get married. They have a child with a nose like a macaw. That is an old David Steinberg joke. And, I doubt anyone remembers David. But, I think of it every time I try to plan a breeding. I just leave it up to Tedi. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org ; SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ÿÿ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================