Well, I think GSD's ought to be able to do a heck of a lot more than run around in a circle counter-clock wise. There's no reason a dog couldn't at least get CD. A herding title require access to stock, an agility title requires both the dog and the handler be agile and tracking can be time consuming when you start aging tracks. Several years ago I told a fellow GSD person that my goal was to have an OTCH. , Ch., HCH GSD and their comment was that "I could do that with my border collie." I thought what happened to the "TOTAL DOG"? Diane --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================