In a message dated 12/3/2004 8:54:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, Diwri@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: I live in the real world... and I have owned, trained & trialed a herding Champion. She was not from 'herding lines', she was from 'show lines'. Her mother was Select Staser's Flicka of Brentaryl, her father was Ch Pagairs Gambler. She had a Ch litter brother. ----------------------------------------------------------- I have bred a herding Champion. I would not expect her to be a tracking, obedience, agility, conformation dog. Maybe she could do it all, (with the exception of conformation she was big and rangy, not pretty but "handsome" LOL), but I doubt it. She was out of my Andretti daughter Ch. Kingswood's Tanzanite, who also. produced two conformation champions Shoot, cannot recall the sire, LOL, senior moment, but definately show lines. Most of the people I have spoken with, and some are close friends, go to the breeders that specialize in the venue the buyers specialize in. A conformation buyer is not going to go to an agility breeder for his future champion. Many conformation dogs can do it all, but many cannot. Shalom, Syd SYD MAILBERG 425-432-4144 23910 SE 276TH ST MAPLE VALLEY, WA 98038 Updated Website Fabio/Viggo _http://www.kingswoodgermanshepherds.homestead.com_ (http://kingswoodgermanshepherds.homestead.com/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================