In a message dated 8/9/2005 5:19:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, PAGAIRS writes: Evan, wasn't the conditional class implemented prior to Select Excellent? If so, I believe the emphasis was, as breeders, to recognize the importance of OFA in our breed. In my opinion they all enter the class on a level playing field, no different then say 6-9 puppy class were the judges knows they are between the age specified. In BOB competition the judge knows they are all Champions, but does not know if they are OFA certified. I was on the board when the Conditional Class was established. I felt the Select Excellent, done AFTER the dog won, was enough. But, Carmen convinced the board it was a good idea. I disagreed then, and I do now. It is a class with no value. If the dog is good enough then it should compete for points. If the dog is already finished, it should compete for Select. The class does nothing other than give someone a chance to get into Selects from a single class win. The entries, although some good dogs, (Ben was entered in the first class to support the decision), the winners have established the lack of value of the class. Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================