or sometimes a breeder takes a chance on a new person, it doesn't happen often, but it happens * * * * * * * * I just have to point this part out because it says so much about us in the sport. We are not really wanting new people to join us in the American Spec. ring. We just don't want the old ones to stop showing. Many think that trusting a good dog to a newbie is a waste, many complain that mentoring is a royal pain in the butt. They call and ask all of the questions we did when we first fell in love with the show-ring but we are too darn busy now to answer the questions. They need to pay their dues. ( Always wondered what the heck this meant) It could be that the newbies do not think it is worth the 600.00 dollars for a weekend show to be made to feel like an outsider. But what the heck do they know anyway. I wonder what we will be saying 20 years from now something like........ Remember when there used to be regional clubs for GSD's and they held shows sometimes 2 on the same weekend. They used to pay handlers big bucks to show their dogs and people would come from outside the state to show under judges that they really liked. It says in this old GSD Review, that used to be the German Shepherd Dog Club of America's national magazine, that they even held Futurity's and Maturities in 9 different regions across the USA. Look at the dogs in the book. they sure don't look like the dogs we have today. I wonder why they wanted them posed that way. I wonder what happened to caused it to fail. I guess they all got old and faded away. Just something to think about. Terry Bill Sinclair <sincagsd@xxxxxxx> wrote: In response to both Jean and Helen's post, YES it does happen. I had a 7-8 month boy that when I walked him to the specialty ring, people turned and looked, many came up to me and asked about his breeding. I was very new to the sport then, so I just thought everyone was being very nice. At his futurity he won his class and there was lots of applause from people who I did not even know. His competition that year was "Flag" and of course Flag won. One of the proudest days of my life as I had also bred him. Gloria, SINCA GS ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:58 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Leaving (Helen Franklin) In response to Jean's post, actually it does happen. Sometimes pups are sold young before the full potential is realized, sometimes the breeder picks the wrong ones, a monorchid suddenly isn't, a new person co-breeds a litter, or sometimes a breeder takes a chance on a new person, it doesn't happen often, but it happens. I hope all those that love the breed, "hang in there." The rewards are the dogs themselves. Best wishes to you Jean Helen Franklin Msg: #7 in digest From: jeanniemccann@xxxxxxxxx (Jean Mccann) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:11:37 -0600 Subject: Re: Leaving (Helen Franklin) Helen wrote that "even if this is your very first show,if you have a SUPER-STAR,the handlers will be falling out of the trees..." Well,I just want to respectfully say that the chances of a newbie walking in with a "super-star" are slim to none...super-stars are hard enough to come by,and they usually stay with their breeders or go to KNOWN breed-people. (understandably) I mentioned in an earlier post that it is hard for the newbie to first GET a good (not super-star,but competitive) dog,and then to compete for a top handler when there are other,much more "known dog people" with a dog of equal merit. WHO the dog belongs to also counts. I was simply saying there are several "hurdles" a newbie has to surmount,not the least of which is the cost of it all ,and many do give up in discouragement . 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