[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Learning Something New Each Day
- From: Sally Hayden <sallyhayden5@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "mrsaimers@xxxxxxxxx" <mrsaimers@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 20:52:23 -0500
Anyone else getting double posts
Sally
On Aug 8, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Amy <mrsaimers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> In my professional life my duties include Parliamentary Procedures so
> I would like to provide a brief explanation regarding some information
> related to the Board Meeting in July. To the best of my understanding.
>
> 1. In my professional world it would never be appropriate for the
> parliamentarian of an organization to also be a voting member. There
> should be a line of professionalism in that the rules are applied uniformly
> across the board and not affect the outcome of a vote.
>
> 2. My understanding of the vote regarding the futurity money is as follows:
> Motion made Seconded vote called with a 9 "ayes"-7"nay"-1 abstention with the
> motion being called as passed. It then was requested by the parliamentarian
> that the abstainer change their vote to a "nay" so that the president could
> cast the deciding vote. In doing some research I found the following quote
> from the 10th Edition of Roberts Rules of order.
>
> Page 392 (15) Tie Votes and Cases in Which the Chair's vote affects the
> results.
>
> If the presiding officer is a member of the assembly, he can vote as any
> other member when the vote is by ballot (see also p.400). In all other cases
> the presiding officer, if a member of the assembly, can (but is not obliged
> to) vote whenever his vote will affect the result- that is, he can vote
> either to break or to cause a tie; or, in a case where a two-thirds vote is
> required, he can vote either to cause or to block the attainment of the
> neccessary two thirds
>
> First I will say that professionally I have never seen this rule used.
>
> I find this particularly interesting as first off the matter should not have
> been up for debate once the chair indicated that it had passed secondly a
> person that voted in the "nay" should not campain for a change in the vote of
> the abstention vote. It is not the duties of a parlimentaerian to advise
> someone how to vote or to change their vote. In light of also being a voting
> member.
> What this all comes down to is had the abstention vote not been changed to a
> "nay" the vote would have passed and the Chair would not have had the
> opportunity to vote on the matter therefore providing funding to the regional
> clubs to use toward hosting of a futurity. As a member of a regional club I
> know first hand what it takes to host and the expense requirements of a
> futurity. Most regional clubs are struggling as it is and asking them to
> host an event with no supporting funds will just cause the folding of more
> clubs or the futurity system may not survive as if there is no clubs willing
> to host them what if the point?
>
> This is all JMO and what I have learned through my many years of parlimintary
> procedure training and to be quite honest I don't like the smell of the whole
> thing. I would encourage anyone that wants the the actual facts to request a
> copy of the digital recording of the meeting (I understand this request has
> been made by board members and denied at this time) the meeting minutes
> should be available by draft also at this point. The meeting minutes should
> reflect all action of the board which should include the first vote and the
> request to change the vote.
>
> I would also like to see the Board adopt into the bylaws the following of the
> State of New York's Sunshine law which is their open records laws. If anyone
> would like to contact me privately regarding either matter I will be happy to
> discuss my observations and knowledge.
>
> Thanks,
> Amy Hubbard
> 6905 NW 92 Hwy
> Smithville, MO 64089
> (816) 547-9031
>
> Aimers Kennel
> Member GSDCA and GSDCGKC
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