There are probably few of us who have not witnessed ridicule and criticism from other factions regarding pedigrees going to Lance of Fran Jo. We've seen it many times on this very list as a matter of fact. With that in mind, I'm not at all surprised to see people become immediately defensive when they see a question asking if Lance free lines exist. Unfortunately, it's a conditioned response. The obvious answer of course, is "Yes. They sure do." Many American breeders have chosen to work with import lines, and I suspect that some of them are generations into their breedings by now. The mistake often made is to label their lines "import." They're no more "import" now than ours are. They are however, "Lance free." There is a more interesting observation to be made though, one that is potentially a lot more controversial. Someday, somewhere, someone will breed a dog from "Lance free" lines that the fancy will be equally taken with. He will have something extra, perhaps even that same difficult to describe "something extra" that Lance himself had. When that dog becomes known, breeders will flock to him in a phenomenal way that so far has been reserved for very few past great German Shepherd dogs. It will be another turning point in the breed's history, very much like Lance was. The dog may or may not be advertised as "Lance free," but that will matter very little in the overall. Some will love the outcross idea. Some will love the Lance free idea. Some will even breed to the dog only because his progeny are winning and are hot sellers. Most will just love the dog and what he produces. A dog like that will surely be bred hundreds and hundreds of times. Since his progeny will be exceptional, they will be most often chosen for breeding once their sire is past his producing days, and the same will hold true for the progeny's progeny. Then ... someday ... ten ... twenty ... thirty years in the future, someone will look at the breed's problems, trace the pedigrees, and blame all of those problems on that one great dog only because his name is in almost all pedigrees. But hey ... Some of those pedigrees might still be "Lance free." Tom Langlitz ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================