Jeff, you do not know me personally but I have been around a while and of course I have seen you handle on many occasions with many wonderful dogs.... I just want say KUDOS to you for speaking up...it is too bad we can't really name names...because there are many of us who know about the owner giving pills to the dog on Saturday and that is not the first time, it has gone on for quite a few years...but who is going to call a spade a spade around this list....notice it was Kathy who sent the post and not Ann....I do not know whether Kathy is ignorant of what has gone on or if she has been told what to say...I do not have such knowledge...but I hate the fact that we the other exhibitors (I was not at the nationals this year, but I am an exhibitor and have been for a number of years) get broadly accused of poisoning someone's dog when the truth be told, it may have been a lot closer to home than what is being posted, accidentally overdosed but nevertheless to turn around and accuse others is despicable....Kathy's post indicated that the dog was with the owner with the exception of being in her van....now I don't know about anyone else's dogs, but you try entering my van when my dogs are in it and all hell will break loose and that includes when even my handlers do it...so I cannot believe that someone got in her van and was able to give something poisonous to her dog...just my opinion...and when someone has been around the breed as long as Ann has, they will have developed a reputation, good, bad, or indifferent and that is all I will say about that....Thanks again for having the b**** to speak up if only in generic terms to protect yourself...and I certainly do not fault you for that in any way....Pauline Pauline Moon - _www.ropajagsd.com_ (http://www.ropajagsd.com/) Ropaja German Shepherds:Member-GSDCAmercia & GSDCAtlanta - Best In Show AKC JAM/AOE/ BISS CH Ropaja's Chateau Beaujolais OFA HIC; BISS AKC CH Ropaja's Chateau Beaulieu OFA HIC; Our future: Multi BOB & GRP W AKC CH. Ropaja's Je Suis Fleur De Lis; Multi-BOB & GRP W AKC CH Ropaja's Je Suis Gabrielle. In a message dated 10/19/2010 4:20:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Msg: #2 in digest Subject: Re: Kobe's National Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:19:10 -0400 From: "Caggra@xxxxxxx" <caggra@xxxxxxx> Sadly, the real truth may never be revealed. I have never personally seen or heard about a dog I knew being slipped drugs behind an owners back. I have heard stories in other breeds about it happening, and it's sick. If someone doesn't like me, then poison me...not my dog. The poor dogs... I have, unfortunately, witnessed exhibitors (some of which I used to show for) give their own dogs uppers (no-dose, vivarin, b-12, etc) and although I was afraid to say or do anything about it then, I would not tolerate anything like that now. These substances may not even be illegal by human athletic standards (I am not sure anyway) and I am not condoning the use of them at all, but some people have the philosophy that if one is good, then 4 or 5 is better. They don't know when to stop.... My dogs are my pets, my family and I would hope that feeling would be mutually shared by most of us. However, there are bad apples in every bunch I guess. I did hear that a person or two witnessed an exhibitor shoving pills down a dogs throat early Saturday. Those people should file a complaint, but like everything else that goes on, it won't happen and will continue. Kathy was certainly right with what she said at the end of her email - Shame on whoever is responsible....I am certain they will answer for what they have done in their life or after. Jeff Pyle Windfall ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================