In part Kathaleen posted ii. Membership voting rights should be limited to the venues that the member has participated in AT the National within the past 5 years - by the bare minimum of making an entry in that venue. The only other caveat to that would be that AKC licensed judges or Members of 20+ years may also vote regardless of 5 year minimum. This sounds like a great idea, as I for one am tired of non-herders picking my herding judges! The only problem (and it's a mighty huge one) is HOW will the right people get the right ballots? Who is going to sort thru the membership list & say "Joe Blow gets a breed ballot only, Jane Blow gets a breed & a herding ballot??" And how about the member who's been out of it for 5 plus years & finally has a contender? No ballot at all? Another potential snafu... Jane Blow paid a handler to put herding titles on her dog. Does that count as knowledgable enough to vote on herding judges? I recall a 'comedy' bit where George Carlin was speaking about elections. It was his opinion that only people who did not vote could complain about an election. He explained that if you voted for someone who turned out to be an idiot, he was still your choice... and therefore could not complain. It sorta makes sense. How many people would admit to voting for an idiot?? ;-) Diane & Jack HX ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================