I will try to answer that.....but I think Fred already did.....most dog shows are all breed shows, therefore most judges that do Shepherds at these shows are not Shepherd judges, therefore they do not have the same study and understanding of the breed as a typical specialty judge...this does not automatically mean that the all-breed judge can not find the best dogs...but far too many times he looks at the popular handler who usually brings good dogs into the ring...I am sure there are other reasons for the difference and there is a difference....like I said ...lets have GSD judges at all shows, be they all-breed or specialty.........yea I know, it will never happen, but they said we would never have a woman president also, and that one is coming too...oops..no politics on the list...lol...Its tough to be a man!...lol...FB MarcatoGSD@xxxxxxx wrote: Yes, we do. But why? In a message dated 12/13/2005 8:56:02 PM Central Standard Time, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: we have one standard, but we show two different types of dogs - Jackie Marcato Shepherds Where it's about function, not flash ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================