Your post made me think of the movie Best in Show.? Specifically, the neurotic Weim couple.? Their dog was just as neurotic.? And, who won?? Bubba and his hound.??Environment?can sure come into play.? I see it every week in my obedience classes.? Owners who are not confident have dogs who are?apprehensive or even over protective, picking up on the owner's unease.? New dog owners?who are born learners and open-minded, do well and have dogs who are learning with them.? The confidence builds in both as they progress.? And, then there are the folks who use training to socialize and don't take it seriously.??Neither do the dogs, LOL!? Then again,?I have other stories of good people and bad dogs.? That is based on genetics.? One story.? Had one Rottie in class who started off great at 4 mos of age. The owners were awesome and had Rotties before.? They did everything right including training and being good pack leaders.??During adolescense, the dog turned on me, my daughter?and then on them.? Since I do more positive reinforcement than negative in training, there was no reason for him to turn on me.? They had a child and could not have that.? Upon my recommendation, they sent the dog back to the breeder who put him down after evaluating him.? A BAD dog.? Oh, I found them another Rottie breeder with dogs I trust and they now have a 2 yr old AWESOME dog who loves them and their daughter and is a perfect gentleman.? Sometimes it is genetics. Then again,?the same argument can be used on people.? Genetics or environment?? An argument that is always there.? JHMO Laura?????? -----Original Message----- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx To: spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 9:49 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Just a dog The longer I am in dogs, the heavier the weight I give to environment. I have seen people muck up far too many a dog that had a good start and was genetically programmed to be a sound, solid citizen and I have seen dogs who were complete squirrels do complete turn-arounds and become solid citizens. Ever notice certain people have dogs that are a pleasure, no matter the pedigree while others have wack-a-doos no matter the pedigree? Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds Where do the bad temperaments come from in the breed? Are the squirrelly dogs at shows genetically made up this way, or is it how they are raised? Is the bad rap that GSDs have with people in other breeds due to the fact that there are so many kennel dogs, lack of socializing, or genetics? **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================