It seems that the specialty ring is going the way of the all breed ring. And we wonder why we are losing fronts. On the positive side...at least the winning dogs are pretty in their mediocrity. Cindy www.cinosamgsd.com --- On Thu, 11/20/08, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Judging Dogs/fault judging To: campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx, cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx, melanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 9:18 AM I guess it all depends, as Terry pointed out on "how roachy". I see it as leading to shortened stride, less ground covered, perhaps even quick-stepping. I've see dogs who are roached as having a problem w/ transmission. "Their" herding dogs actually resemble our all breed show dogs (I'm limiting this to backs), rather than the extreme roach found on some of their SCH dogs, where for a while they seemed to be more concerned w/ a dog's ability to scale obstacles and take a man down that ground covering gait. As I type I'm recalling some of the imports Wynn had as little as 6-7 years ago that came from herding stock who would have no trouble being competitive in the AB ring. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds In a message dated 11/20/2008 10:08:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx writes: It does not hurt the German dogs and believe me there are many, many, beautiful moving German dogs and the show dogs work and herd. --- On Thu, 11/20/08, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Judging Dogs/fault judging To: cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx, melanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 8:54 AM Well, who knows since it's a hypothetical dog, but....if that's the way you see it. I, on the other hand, visualize a roach interfering w/ transmission which translates to a fault of gait, which I'm sure you'd agree is a "very serious" fault. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds In a message dated 11/20/2008 8:27:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx writes: A roach or weak back is not a serious fault...and in fact a roach back is just a compensation for lack of angulation IMO. **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================