Great post Ruth.? And so true.? I showed/bred Labs for years.? Knew that breed.? Rescued a GSD and fell in love with the breed.? Rescued another and then got a purebred.? What did I know of German vs American lines in the show ring?? I entered my young German girl in a show.? She decided to limp and get excused.? I had two women come up to me later.? One was very blunt and said, "When you're ready for a REAL show dog, let me know."? She was right, but I was hurt and offended.? The second woman explained to me the diffenerence between German/American lines, what was currently showing and winning and?gave me her card.? I did get a bitch from her later.? The bitch was not a Star but loved to show and gave me a TON of experience and knowledge.? Some things have changed since then, especially with more German/American crosses that are so competitive.? But, she was a good start for me.? I respect?that someone had the guts to tell me the truth?AND explain why my girl wasn't a conten der.? The presentation is what made the difference to me.??One was too blunt, the other offered an explaination.?? My German girl turned out to be the 2004 Hero Dog, Good Will Ambassador.? She is from working lines, another thing?where I was clueless, and?is part of my breeding program.??I went a different direction with her and am better for it.?? How does this relate to withholding ribbons???If we had not been excused for the limping and the Judge had withheld the ribbon instead, he would've still been right.??That would've hurt as well, but he would've been well within his right and honest in his evaluation of my girl.? If a respected Judge withholds ribbons, it is for a good reason.? They don't do it lightly and then it is up to the owner to?evaluate what they are showing. JMHO Laura P.S.? MY last post as I am?setting No Mail to go to the Nationals <VBG>????? -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Scheubler <rightdogphoto@xxxxxxxxx> To: DaList <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 9:22 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Judge Withholds ALL Ribbons on Dogs Side How unfair it is to critique judges without having seen the show. I respect judges who withhold ribbons when they should. I have seen too many judges award blue ribbons to dogs just because they walked into the ring. A few years ago a very nice man brought his pet pup to local shows. He was a nice sound dog and had no disquailifying faults. Often he was the only dog in his class. He ended up with a handfull of blue ribbons and was very proud of it. When he finally got to the Open class a judge finally told him the truth - after he asked why he was no longer getting placed. He became furious that people had not been honest before and I have not seen him at any dog event since. Had the first judge said "nice sound dog and I bet he is your best friend. Why don't you be fair to him and get involved with an activity where you two would have a chance to?excell instead of conformation showing where he is destined to bring up the rear of the class? He is too nice and sound a dog to be forced to compete in a venue he in which he is not able to succeed once he gets competition." Ruth ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================