The judge was Barbara Alderman, a former Toy dog handler (she did handle some other breeds, but basically she was a toy dog handler who is now approved for most groups, if not all. On infodog, it looks like she gave each dog a first place (they were all single entries) and then withheld winners. That is allowed under AKC rules if the judge doesn't think the dog is worthy of championship points. It could be that the dogs were badly handled, too...a lot of former handlers are unforgiving of rowdy dogs, or dogs that are a bit out of control. Peggy . ----- Original Message ----- From: <LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Judge Withholds ALL Ribbons on Dogs Side > In a message dated 11/3/2008 7:10:34 A.M. Central Standard Time, > Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes: > You know who else will do that? Virginia Fornier > > > Went to look and see what all this judge is approved for and not in the > AKC > book. > > Is this a foreign judge? > > Lee Brown ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================