In a message dated 6/1/2007 9:04:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx writes: As with any problem we have in our dogs that we can fix such as swimmers there is always the possibility that it can get away from us not because we don't care but because we don't know for sure why it happens. Fred, I agree do NOT fix anything. Let them be and if they do not correct then, put them down ( I had that happen once).. Most do. Interestingly enough I have had a few over the years and like most have said, smaller litter extremely fat puppies. What I have noticed is, the swimmers are generally NOT the best puppies anyway... I have not kept one to move forward with....Not because I would not have if the quality was there but they just have not been the better puppy for what ever reason.....Sel Ch. Utopia's Debut from Mariner's had a sister who was a swimmer. she was no where near the quality... Maybe just my experiance but that is how it has worked out? Deb ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================