In a message dated 11/11/13 7:40:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: As I have always said....the Panda or Piebald GSD is nothing "new" but what is hidden there if we don't continue to be vigilant and eliminate. It is time to admit, it is nothing but prejudice. Now, prejudice is not a bad thing. We decide what we want, what we don't want, and then go for it. We (or most of us) have decided we don't like certain colors. We, (or some of us) for years tried to make excuses by saying Whites in shepherds were inferior. They died early, had health problems, or didn't have good temperament. Let's get away from those false ideas and just admit, we don't like the looks. We don't like the looks of a Panda shepherd, we don't like the looks of a Piebald shepherd. There is nothing wrong with having a choice and sticking to it. I wonder if what I have been told about Blues and Livers is true, that there are health related problems? But, I don't need to know the answers to that. I don't like the look. Although, I have to admit, I have seen blue sables, and I sort of like that look. But, I insist on the right to be prejudiced. I like the looks of a white shepherd. OK, that is my opinion. I think some I have seen are noble looking, striking, strong and powerful looking. They seem to me something other than what I want in a German shepherd, however, but I am starting to even like the red and blacks that the Germans seem to have. Now we need to admit we have our learned prejudices as to what we want in a German shepherd. Let's drop the pretense that the Whites are faulty, are less than the Black and Tans, or have something wrong with them. We just don't like them. If you don't admit that, then there is no rational reason to keep them as a disqualifying fault. There is nothing wrong with that. And, nothing says we have to be rational. Evan L. Ginsburg gsyrfund.com Asgard German Shepherds _http://www.asgardgsd.com_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================