The AKC is no longer run by dog people so therein lies the problems we are seeing. Joan Joan F. Fox website: http://www.campaignersgsds.com 17500 Haskins Rd. Chagrin Falls, Ohio 44023 Home & Fax: 440-543-9165 Cell: 440-759-4119 ________________________________ From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: ELG440@xxxxxxx; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, June 4, 2010 2:32:25 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: It COULD happen Again.......maybe it's just me..........<G>........but it seems to me with that philosophy you should be able to award points to more than just one Winners Dog and Winners Bitch also..........? I have no problem with it if some are happy seeking after it......as some say....it makes them happy. But it seems that with your perspective of this.......every single Champion ....if shown often enough will become a "GRAND" Champion. I can't understand the concept that the Champion is not worthy of earning Best Of Breed or Best Opp. in competition....or.... the "contest".......yet is worthy of becoming a "GRAND" Champion. Something in the name or title sounds better than just a Champion to me......( so maybe it IS me ) <G> BUT we are saying the W.D. is of such quality as to go OVER the Champion for Best Of Breed.....but the Champion has the merit to be a "GRAND" Champion?? It just doesn't sound quite right...... It just seems to me that AKC has not given a lot of effort in thinking this through......the reasons, the clarity of how it is awarded......especially after watching this discussion for over a week. Two animals of each sex of what quality??? They are already CHAMPIONS....so we know the "quality" is there......but they lost to another Champion that will NOT get the "GRAND" Champion points.....but they will......<G> I don't get it.......<G> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Maybe it's just me...........but if the class animal went over the Champions for Best Of Breed...... would any of the Champions really be worthy of a Grand Champion........? *************************************************** Sure. It is not a contest of one over the other. It is based on the quality of the animals. There is no placing of the Grand Champion, it is just which two animals of each sex are of that quality. Evan L. Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================