In a message dated 12/1/2004 6:02:41 PM Mountain Standard Time, pmick@xxxxxxxxx writes: Yes, Shepherds seem to require handlers more than others, but don't kid yourselves, there are handlers at all the other national specialties as well. Even toy dogs have professional handlers. Of course, none of them get the prices our handlers do, but then, none of them have to run as much, that's true. I didn't think the discussion dealt with who did the handling. I thought it had to do with the dogs and numbers. Are you trying to say that Shepherd numbers are down because there aren't many owner handlers? Peggy ------------------- I'm not saying there are no handlers at other specialties - but they have a much wider selection of handlers available so costs are less. They can also enter other dogs and owner handle them. I saw some of my KC member friends at both the Malamute and Sheltie nationals and they were there with multiple dogs of all ages and no handlers. I know a few sheltie breeders who each had over 8 dogs entered - if they had to pay $100 to $1000 handling fee for each one, I suspect they would have left most of them home! Our top handlers do a great job and earn their fees, but the expense does increase the cost of each dog entered, and for owners who MUST use a handler, it can affect the decision on how many dogs to enter. There were several people I talked with who told me they had dogs at home they had wanted to enter, but either could not get a handler they thought would do their dog justice, or could only afford one or two handling fees, so the others stayed home. I was just mentioning this as one factor - I know there are other issues as well. Janice ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================