It never ceases to amaze me when I hear people going on and on about how the all-breed ring just doesn't get it. They never hire the judges we like, the rings are too small, the reps watch us like hawks, showing is not any fun....... Bah, Humbug!!!!! How many of you that are complaining are members of your local all-breed clubs? You can't complain about the judges selection when you haven't tried to effect the outcome. Want bigger rings? Join the club and make suggestions. I am the show chair for the Buckhorn Valley Kennel Club in Northern Colorado. We use Onofrio as our show superintendent. We always have early ring times, big rings, and GSD breeder judges. I have a very good relationship with the AKC field reps who oversee our shows. This is because I work closely with them to assure that we will have a safe, successful show. The only time they are hanging out at the GSD ring is when they are observing a provisional judge or because I have called them over. Most clubs are run by people who have other breeds, they are concerned about what they don't understand. They make a big deal of putting the "no double handling" verbiage in the premium lists, they are the ones who ask the rep to keep an eye on those crazy GSD people, and they are more concerned about the aspects of their breed being addressed (grooming space for the poodle people, appropriate crate/sitting space for the obedience crowd, etc.) then what you want. At the same time, I don't know a club who couldn't use another member. Start being a part of the solution instead of complaining. At a minimum, find out who the judges selection committee is for your local club and offer a list of suggested judges. Also offer to do a supported entry at the show. For those who aren't familiar with this, a breed club provides trophies for its breed to show support to the exhibitors (not the judge). BVKC offers a rebate program where we will rebate a $1 per entry back to the breed club if they will provide prizes for BOB, BOS, BOW, WD, and WB. Every club has a box with unclaimed or extra trophies that could be utilized. Start building a relationship with these clubs and you will find that they will be more receptive to your requests and less concerned about doubling, etc. I guarantee that a well placed semi active member will be much more effective than a nasty complaint letter. Infiltrate and educate - it will make a positive difference to both you and the club. ~ Val Manning Rancho Terra Norte' Wellington, CO **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================