[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Inbreeding -
- From: SegerWind@xxxxxxx
- To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx, lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx, spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:52:39 EDT
Sorry Carolyn I do not believe you ever answered the question you raised
here? Yes you are twisting your words without a solid concrete response to
the questions I posed to you??
Can I respectfully ask why you cannot answer the questions I posed to you?
Thanks,
Steven
Home of Asgard's Contezza
In a message dated 9/8/2010 9:32:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
OK......maybe you think I am "twisting your words"......but look at the
'drill' of questions and the
many question marks in what you are asking simply because a breeder says
they DO inbreed
their studs occasionally.
My entire point is...... ( please read ).........do you NOT think the
same questions are JUST as
important in an OUTCROSS breeding? Why is DM, Immune proglems, UAP
and epilepsy
or whatever....questioned on ONLY an inbreeding? What would you think
if someone hit you with
a battery of questions about YOUR breeding program because you only
outcross?
<G>
By the same token..do you not think you should grow out litters because
they are .... OUTCROSSES?
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
Carolyn, you are twisting my words. I'm not insisting a breeder does
anything. Mike and Jess both said
they inbred their dogs that they stand at stud.
Given the fact that I can't find a single 4 generation pedigree that
doesn't have SOME genetic "bads",
your pedigrees, my pedigrees or anybody else's, and given the fact that
inbreeding not only enhances
the good, it enhances the bad...in fact Mike freely admits using
inbreeding as a "tool" to see if a
program is in the right direction... I simply asked, and I'm quoting from
MY post:
"OK, here's a question. Are you growing out the entire litters and to
what age? How old is a dog
before you are comfortable issues won't crop up...you figure 4 weeks
before you notice mega,
4-5 months for UAP, 2-3 years for epilepsy...but what about toxic gut,
GDV, immune problems and DM?????
How old before these "test cases" go into a pet home???"
You'll notice I'm asking a question, not insisting anything.
Not sure when you came into the thread, if you were on it at the beginning
or not, but another of my
points to Mike was that if he did or does an inbreeding, statistically,
one good result as far as no
health issues cropping up doesn't prove too much. Statistically, you'd
have to do a breeding
quite a few times.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
,
marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
but that I think it's a little unfair to insist that a breeder that does
all of the above should grow a litter out
until they are middle age to prove they are all fine and healthy
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