In a message dated 10/1/10 4:45:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, caretti1@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Thans for the explantion, Juiie! Ok, here's a dumb question..... Who actually "created" that look (roach back etc) that is seen on the video? Was it the "powers that be" in the SV? Is that style the leaders of the SV think the rest of the world should strive to breed? When Her Martin was president, and judged the national show, he put up his brother's dogs, and together they promoted the roach back . I talked to Her Martin when he was here, and he felt that back was like an arch bridge, the power was transmitted better from the rear if the back had a roach. After he died, the later presidents have tried to change the backs. From what I am seeing now, there is less of the roached back. But, they still have the short powerfull necks. I don't much like that look either, but it is from what I learned to like, not for any real reason. But, since what I think is all that matters, there is nothing wrong with that. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================