[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: I'm going to tell you a secret

  • From: "Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx" for DMARC)
  • To: showgsd <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:04:56 -0700

Well, wondering why someone that states one thing and changes their
mind was the a question which had not a thing to do with Science.  

However...

"Bad Science 1. Science is not infallible; it has been invoked dishonestly on 
many occasions.
 a. It is generally not harmful in the long term, as it is rarely malicious 
(but watch out for it when money is involved)."

It seems most do not want the GSD Standard changed as it has been voiced so if 
they all
vote doubt it will be changed.

Theresa
scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx

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On Wed, 7/30/14 Evan wrote:

Some people learn and educate
 themselves with facts.  Some decline to  do 
 that, and grasp at the old ways, no matter what science
 tells us.
  
 Evan
  
  
 James Moses in  Copyright 1974 thoughts…

The German Shepherd Today

The German Shepherd Today 1st Edition written by Winifred Gibson  
Strickland and James A. Moses of why the color white was not desirable. 

I own the New and Revised Edition of the books. 

"White German Shepherds have always existed in the breed, as they are  
mentioned in its earliest histories.  They are not to be confused with  albinos 
as the true albino has pink eyes and nose, while many white German  Shepherd 
Dogs have dark eyes and black noses.  Nevertheless, the whites  have never 
been considered desirable and certainly no serious breeders have ever  
sought deliberately to breed this color.

The so-called whites are disqualified under the German Shepherd Dog  
Standard.  Degeneration is indicated by the lack of color and most all the  
so-called whites have a bit of tan or buff color on them.  They are of no  use 
to 
the armed services, police forces, guide dog schools for the blind, or  
sheepherders because white is obviously the wrong color for this work.   Also, 
white dog hairs are too noticeable on uniforms or business suits.   They can 
only be used as pets and any breeder who is unfortunate enough to find  a 
white puppy in his litter should either dispose of it or sell it without  
registration papers."

German Shepherd Dog Review August 2013 Jimmy Moses thoughts

"    Today we have a better understanding of genetics and know that white
is merely the expression of a masking gene which in no way dilutes the
underlying pigment of the progeny nor does this gene produce albinism.
(We also know that the world is not flat, and it is safe to sail on. ) Whites
are genetically GSDs, just as sable, black/tan, black/red, and black.

     White coat color occurs when two animals carrying the recessive 
white masking gene are bred together, essentially the same way we get
solid blacks or long coats.  If the white is masking a black and red, and is 
bred to 
another black and red, the puppies will be black and red, or whatever color the 
puppies would be without the presence of masking genes.  So the old supposition
that white GSDs produce faded pigment or albinos has no merit.  There are no 
lethal
genes associated with the white masking gene in GSDs as one sees in other breeds
with white animals, such as Boxers and Danes.  So now that we have a better 
understanding, why the continued prejudice? " 

Just like the original book which is not Von Stephanitz works…

German Shepherd Dog in Word and Pictures
of Von Stephanitz work the newer Editions do omit,  add or remove
information and change it.   

However it looks as though Jimmy Moses did change his mind but wonder why?

Theresa
scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx

 
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