Christine Grainger's recent email said: her to Bear. By that time..he was ready to get out of GSDs and did. A dog did finish from that breeding and he was Bull's grandsire. There are 4 points here 1) how long it took to finally even get just a decent brood bitch, after paying for a top show prospect) 2) The handler governing the breedings which lead to 2 unsuccessful litters laden with problems 3) that Peter says: For all the newbies out there, when Christine Grainger talks about a dog named Bull she is talking about a Grand Victor that she and Steve Grainger bred and owned: 2000 Grand Victor Ch. Hickoryhills Bull Durham TC ROM. Peter Cacioppo..Eagle Hill...Moraga, CA www.members.tripod.com/EagleGSD Eagle Hill Vineyards and Winery, German Shepherds and Belted Galloway cattle ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================