> > The problem is, the word "extreme" is relative to a person's point > > of view. > > If you compare a dog's angles to the angles stated in the standard, > > you just > > might be surprised to find out that the angles you believe are > > correct, might Thanks! There is very little ambiguity in a "right angle" - there are some people that insist that a right angle is "extreme" - according to our standard, it is the desired angle. Why ignore one aspect of the standard & insist on something different? One can certainly have the correct angles & NOT be dirty, locked hocks, lifting fronts, scrawny, leggy & all of the other terrible things that some people insist every dog with angulation absolutely shows. Actually, I am tired of reading (on a so-called Conformation List) about how terrible some of the most beautiful moving dogs are & also how the only important thing should be working ability - all conformation dogs being incapable. Sorry, I am just tired of hearing how us "old timers" do not know anything & should be lectured by know-it-all beginners. As many of us have stated, we learned from experience & watching, paying our dues & respecting the icons of the breed! JMO Sandy Sandra Kozub KcK Kennels http://iweb.tntech.edu/rkozub/kennel.htm ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================