You can find out WHO has had litters sired by the dog you are considering and talk to them all...YES time consuming but it is ONE way to find out things... The TIME for TALK is NOW before its TOO LATE! Deborah Gebhard Solana Shepherds, MI ----- Original Message ----- From: Deanne Jur To: solanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] ITS NOT ENOUGH IMHO Deborah and all, I wholeheartedly agree, your post was very well stated! However, we are pretty well at the merci of the stud owners and/or breeder's for this information - aren't we? They are the ones with first hand knowledge of the lines... or at least should be. (This also applies when searching/researching for that new addition puppy!) Honesty HAS to take priority, if we hope to continue the preservation and improvement in the over-all health and temperament of our great GSD's! Someone stated that WE need to ask a lot of HARD QUESTIONS! I totally agree but what if those hard questions are not answered or answered with the elusive "my lines don't have problems?" Yes, we can walk away but then what? How are the not so new "newbies" supposed to research new lines to incoorporate and further improve their programs if honesty isn't priority? Where is one supposed to turn for this information if not from the breeder's? Any ideas? Thanks Deanne Jur Manitoba, Canada -------Original Message------- From: solanagsd Date: 07/20/06 07:19:47 To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] ITS NOT ENOUGH IMHO Its OUR responsibility as breeders to ASK these questions BUT its the RESPONSIBILTY of the person/people standing that DOG at stud to answer HONESTLY....WHEN that happens we will be able to irradicate some of the genetic problems that face OUR BREED! AND YES it IS costly to do all the testing BUT isn't the greatest BREED ALIVE WORTH IT?????? Deborah Gebhard Solana Shepherds, MI ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================