In a message dated 1/24/2007 11:14:57 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx writes: True enough, but not every rancher has the ability to manage such a dog as you do. A Great Pyr, or GSD or Old English and others that are much easier to handle and more up the alley of tough but not as educated in dogs, rancher. Hi Shiela Actually on a large farm or ranch, if the Ovtcharka is doing what they have been bred to do, there isn't much "handling" involved. They are far less hands on in such a setting than a GSD or OES or others. They have been bred for centuries to work and live independently of the owner, without having to take direction, and without needing much in the way of maintenance or many times even feeding. They are however in need of VERY strong minded , alpha type owners in a setting that is not on a farm or ranch, where they may be in contact with the public regularly. They are independent, and very tough, very loyal dogs. Certainly not for most people. Kathy _Victory German Shepherds_ (http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/index.htm) ~ WEBSITE UPDATED: DEC 14, 2006 Home of CH. ELVASTON'S NATIONS CUP, TC, OFA H/E DNA'D "NITRO" 26 BISS/ BESTS OF BREED TO DATE 2006 PACIFIC COAST VICTOR ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================