And the dog judge judges Fut/ Mat. bitches, the bitch judge does Fut. Mat. dogs, correct or ?? Beryl Eshom Paul adds... That's the current way Beryl...but I am wondering if there isn't a different way? We have many fine Judges who run every year. What say instead of flip flopping the dog and bitch Judges to do the Futurity/Maturity dogs and bitches...we take the 4th and 5th Judges from the Judging results and let them do those classes? Let me draw it out like Tish did...and keep the mud outta it... Top Total Vote getter...Specials 2nd Top Vote getter...(and this is the way I think it used to be) Choice of dogs or bitches 3rd Top Vote getter...the remaining category 4th Top Vote getter...the choice of Futurity or Maturity Dogs or Bitches 5th Top Vote getter...the remaining sex of Futurity/Maturity That would introduce 2 new Judges into the National scene every year. It gives the fancy a chance to see them perform under the pressure packed situation of a National and if they do good...they've got a head start on the next years field. If they suck...back to the bottom of the pile. (Juz kidding as anyone who is elected to judge anything at a National is superb) But it is a new idea and worthy of some debate/ Paul ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================