I don't know Evan isn't that like saying that the lines on the highway are suggested smooth spots to drive?? Terry who drive a gas guzzling 4 wheel drive :0) ________________________________ From: "ELG440@xxxxxxx" <ELG440@xxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 8:06:57 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] I want to be honest In a message dated 5/5/10 7:40:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, d_fritsche@xxxxxxxxxx writes: I remember a rather heated discussion some years ago on the list about size. It was passionate and at time heated, if I remember right, but then my memory is not... what were we talking about? I have made it as clear as I can, I like a large German shepherd. We know that the breed is to be a medium sized breed, but if the dog can move, and does so with proper structure, then I don't get hung up over size. Movement is more important to me than size, every time. I think anyone who has seen me judge knows that by now. If not, here it is in writting. You can print this out and bring it to the show the next time I judge. I also will put up a small dog or bitch, if everything else is correct. I remember some smaller males that I have liked that had proper structure and movement. I remember one Grand Victor that I took on a lead, and was blown away by the movement. He was probably at the lower end of the standard as far as size. It is not popular for a judge to say that he or she does not feel bound by a direction in the standard, but I have never worried about being popular. I remember a somewhat smaller Champion bitch Liz Leshhorn had that was fantastic, but every time I saw her, I thought she was a new puppy. I also remember running behind Patriot the last time he was shown at the National, and thinking how could a normal human being keep up to a dog that large? (That did streach the meaning of normal). I am not going to tout how much I follow the standard, and then go into the ring and give the Breed to a 28 inch male. It is better to tell it up front, and then let everyone with the dogs they want, enter under me. If your dog does approach 35 inches at the withers and is still a German shepherd, it had better be spectacular, however. To me size is only important as it relates to the structure and movement of the German shepherd. I agree that the guidelines are important, but it is a personal thing with me. I think of our breed as a strong, fierce, and proud animal. At times, that can be reflected in a large male. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================