In a message dated 8/6/11 4:14:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes: Pretty simple to me; breed to improve and I still, for the life of me don't see where breeding to a dog WITH or deliberately breeding FOR disqualifications fits into a sound breeding plan. I've often referred to a breed standard (any breed's standard BTW) as a blueprint. Me...I'll follow the blueprint. I have been thinking about this, (shut up Paul) as I was asked if I would let one of my males breed to a White. I have decided I would. Would you let your stud dog breed to a fantastic bitch who had a hanging ear? What about a beautiful looking bitch who didn't have the best sidegait, (a fault in movement), would you breed her? Or, a tail that had to be cropped due to cancer or her swinging it in the crate too much causing injury. What if a bitch had bit a judge or just attemepted to bite the judge and therefore was disqualified, would you then have her spayed and placed in a pet home? What about a bitch with an undershot jaw, should she be sold as a pet if everything else about her was fantastic? And, let's not even talk about a bitch with a nose not predominantly black. There are disqualifying faults, (not the fault in movement). It seems clear to me that if you are breeding to improve the breed, you try to breed away from faults, but you don't ignore the other qualities the bitch or dog might have. If the breeders of a White like some I saw at their National wanted to improve the breed by breeding to a quality dog, then they should not be discouraged. I am encouraged by the dedication and knowlege I saw by those who lived to support white shepherds. Those dogs are still, (to date) German shepherds and we should recognize them as such. Or for those who are so passionate about keeping the Whites away, we should take them out of our gene pool and like the Germans, refuse to even accept them as German shepherds. We should be trying to improve the breed, not segregate a portion of it, that does not please our esthetic senses. I am deeply troubled, (maybe not that deeply) that we want to exclude the Whites from winning the awards at the national, keep them out of the conformation ring, not let them go their own way with a separate breed, and still insist they have to remain within our breed. Maybe a bit of tolerance might be a new way to look at this. Perhaps we should all walk a mile in white shoes. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================