Doris, HA! I had two..........Faith and Little Richard that when we hot wired their runs..took the shock, so they could get to the fence and still get out. This happened time and time again. It was a HEAVY fencer too boot. Mo >>> *There is more than one kind of electric fence. What is needed here is >>> the kind that will zap the dogs on contact, not the kind that takes a >>> collar. Not too expensive to install, and very effective. It is a hot >>> wire, and they will only touch it one time. Dogs hate electric shock. >>> Doris* ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================