Lately we've had that. Two weekends ago we had an indoor ring in Harrisburg, courtesy of Rau, off by ourselves, that rivaled a specialty ring. We also had a GSD breeder judge that particular day. The shows this past weekend, indoor MD, MBF as the super, had generous sized rings also. I expect for the rings at Trenton, Futurity weekend, we'll be off by ourselves w/ specialty sized rings. These judges can't put up movers if we don't bring them movers. Oh sure, there will be the occasional long ride home, but overall if we want to show in the AB ring and if we want to see improvement in judging, we need to get involved in the AB clubs, offer input on the judging panel, request large rings, bring our good ones and play to win. JMO Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 4/27/2010 11:12:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, windvane@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: If we bring the good movers out to the all breed ring, we will need a ring big enough for the dog to move in . It is a two way street. JMHO Emilie ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================