Nothing wrong with an opinion....having seen SOME all 'rounders where AKC AOEs are awarded though, realizing to some it's a numbers game (so many dogs shown, so many awards given), and having seen some of the quality of dogs that receive them....eeeerrrrrrrr....not so sure I would agree. You have judges who judge on the "showmanship", i.e. how long they will stand and free bait, the rings are so small etc., and there are plenty of judges who only look at coming and going and never turn their head to watch the dog go around. Now, it would be foolish to take a dog who isn't well trained and clean coming and going to the all breed ring, but there is a lot more to our breed than standing, baiting, coming and going and a fluffy coat! Remember, at some of these shows you don't have specialists in the center of the ring...quite often you have a judge that can do an entire group or two. And you can't discount advertising $$$$$$. The all breed ring is a different game and I like to play there too. That said....lots of head scratching. On more than one occasion, under a specialty judge at an all breed show I've gone up over an AKC AOE/Award of Merit winner w/ a class dog (who later went on to finish). So for me, it's more of a question of "tell me who you won under". Then again, I've scratched my head at some of the dogs who have received a Sel. rating... same question, "who'd you win under?" I'm optimistic. I think when good moving dogs get out to all breeds, it can only be for the better. Continued success with your boy Paula:) Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 4/26/2010 7:49:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: There are less GSD's with the AKC AOE than there are GSD's with the GSDCA Selects, Select Excellent, or even AOE's. Ergo, the AKC AOE is a more rare and prestigious award, IMHO. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================